Oh, yes, very sorry.
Kochi should have it, I
guess.
Well, good evening and welcome and. Good evening. Welcome and thank you for coming along. It's nice to see so many people actually joining us.
We weren't sure how quite how many people we were going to have as James said this evening, we're just gonna be looking at why he made by people may wish to start an LGBT climbing club, what the value of that is, and particularly sort of what we've got
from it, and what the best community may get from it as well. We got a reason why make to get through this evening. So we may go quite quickly. If there is anything that we skipped over a bit too quickly or any questions that you might want to ask.
Please keep me. Keep in memory of them, and then we've got some time for questions at the end.
Sorry, I was just trying to work out where everything goes on my screen.
Wonderful.
So we're going to be coming to see me and said we've got a fair bit amount to cover this evening so we're gonna be looking at the club definitions and language
demographics of our clubs that we've set up, and why we started those. And then we're going to look at a little bit of research around achieved by clubs are beneficial as well.
And then some tips and ideas for starting your own. What are the first things we'd like to do is when we get to as we're getting started is Chris can set up a poll as well.
If you're happy to fill it is completely anonymous. But if you're happy to close it, it just gives us a nice idea of who we've got here.
And what you're sort of knowledge and experiences.
Just give you all of them minutes to look at that one.
Sorry, question before it's making sense to me.
Now, so, so that means, if you are a member of a climbing club that has that is part of the BMC so they're going to talk about that in a moment about what the different types of clubs that are, what they look like.
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Excellent.
Fourth
And just today so just a bit of interest I can share this one with you all as well.
So just gives us an interesting idea of actually a sort of the breakdown.
Within innovation, but then for some make some more sense when we get later into the presentation as well.
But just gives us an idea of the sort of people that we have within the Agile community the BMC community
as well.
We're going to Team guys we're going to move on a little bit, and we're just going to start looking at what is a club, and sort of how clubs can be developed so I'm going to pass over to Robert, who is been quite heavily involved in setting up notes a
chart and has a bit more knowledge in this area.
Thank you very much.
Good evening everyone.
So just want to quickly run through the sort of different types of clubs, so quite a lot of what what my experiences about is a DMC affiliated club.
It's called not so triad and I'll be talking about the nature of the club and why we set it up. So, I've added the, the current requirements of the British mountaineering Council for a club to become affiliated.
And as people will know if you're involved with the DMC affiliated club you join your club, and the club is affiliated in effect a member of the DMC, and that makes its members affiliated members of the DMC, and you have to have a principal purpose plumbing
Hill walking mountaineering, you have to be headquartered in the UK. The club has to be controlled by its members and you have to have a minimum of 10 members, so that's that's actually quite a specific view of what a club is, and there are about 300
clubs who are affiliated to be MC. But there are other clubs, I mean there's some quite well, you know, organizations that have proper climate clubs, but they've just never affiliated to be MC on a member of another one, the Austrian Alpine club.
That's the official national club in Austria, but it has a UK section with 10,000 members, and then similarly, some big companies have got clubs and some climbing walls, and sure who's coming later works in a climbing wall I don't know sure if your, your
wall has a club but some are linked to the actual rules so they're sort of provided as a, as a group, by the by the owner and operator the wall.
And then, you know, there are there are organizations like outdoor Lance, and, which is a charity promoting outdoor activity for gay bisexual and trends people, and they're not affiliated with the MC they haven't gone down that path but they are a registered
charity so they are subject to validation by the Charity Commission.
And then the outdoors club is a membership body, kind of big one, which has sort of sections Federation's of local specialist groups.
And so, you know, if somebody was starting a club that didn't want to go down the BMC route, you could possibly approach the Gaylord outdoors club and then set up a grouping there.
And in fact not so triad started as a bit of gay outdoors club.
It's got two existing groups one for the north of England and one for Scotland. So there are groups of people who are within the gic.
And then, a fast growing area of clubs, and number of people might be on on this call might be in these sorts of clubs, they're quite informal, and often operated through Facebook or WhatsApp, and I'm a member of one action plan with them yet but the
Brixton climbers operates purely as a private Facebook group, and it is sort of word of mouth but it has got 420 members may need but not exclusively living in South London it's got a committee, we can trips, and there's no money changing hands.
So, it just shows that there are different ways of being a club.
And currently, that official definition at the top of the BMC affiliated club. The BMC itself is looking at whether it needs to adjust its, its thinking, so it would retain the current affiliated clubs, but it's possibly going to move to having a looser
form, which might encompass the sort of WhatsApp, or Facebook type, type club.
That's just purely under discussion at the moment no decision has been taken on that, and it certainly doesn't mean any lessening of importance of the current structure for for affiliated clubs.
So that's a really brief canter.
Through, what is a club and a bit later we're going to be covering the processes. So I think if we flip to that slide.
This is also really about about the why, why might you wish to become a BMC affiliated club.
Well, the Wise have got the public liability insurance is the driver for lots of groups to seek to become a BMC affiliated clump because you get insurance that covers your members, and it also covers the committee and other volunteers and meet leaders
that public liability insurance. So that's a really, you know, big reason why why people do seek to become affiliated to the BMC.
She gets specialist advice, get access to training, both the sort of training about how to run a club, but also training for your members, and there's an opportunity to influence the BMC, which is the national governing body for the sport.
So, those, those are some of the headline reasons about why you might wish to become a BMC affiliated club.
And I, I've said challenges, perhaps, Michael Sharma, want to add to this to the, there is a requirement that you have a club constitution, and you have to pick up the BMC model you can make some additions to it but you can't detract from it.
And you really need to set a club rules, and be MC wants to know that you have that, and you need to, if you've been established already for a short period, sort of, six months or a year, you'll need to show a balance sheet, and an annual report.
As I said before, you have to have a minimum of 10 members to
join as an affiliate club, that's just so that they really think that there's going to be a sustainability if you can get 10 people to agree to four club.
We're not so trance started, it was a half ago we had to get 20%. She took some doing fine 20 of us who agreed that we would form of the join something and become a full club.
And then I've just put in.
At the end, if your club allows people who are under 18, to become members.
Then you will need to meet the BMC safeguarding requirements, which include having safeguarding policy safeguarding officer or lead, who will have to demonstrate their understanding through showing that they've been trained and safeguarding, and they'll
need GPS checking as well, that for the lead that isn't all the offices.
And so, you know, We are not so tragic can use an example.
We've decided to make life slightly easier for ourselves so so we do not accept people under 18 into membership. That doesn't mean to say they can't come on the trip, but they have to be accompanied by a parent or, or someone a responsible adult who stands
in their parents.
So that's just some really brief summary for me about why you might wish to become a BNC affiliated club, and what you've got show to do so.
It can add you as a rough.
fantastic. It is a lot of paperwork, and especially with being LGBT Q, and we're going to look into that a bit more at the moment but there's a lot of additional potential things to think about as well in terms of language array paperwork language around
membership. And also potential barriers to money and things like that. We're going to look at these in a bit more depth as we go through, but there's certainly advantages and disadvantages to becoming an affiliate affiliate club.
But I do think the biggest one of the biggest ones are that's the public liability insurance that ability to get advice from the BMC.
I just allows us allows us as a clubs to a lot more to the moment were largely based indoors. That ability to climb outdoors.
As a group will be a fantastic advantage with that as well. Talk about some of those challenges and sort of Tony.
We've sort of talked around LGBT q but as we saw from the pole before. Some may know what that means some main dots. One of the things we're looking at next is possible that language means spirit of understanding around LGBT Q and what they sort of all
the different terminologies may me and for that what I'm going to pass on to charm.
All right, yeah hi everyone my name is Charlie or char and use the them pronounce. And, and I'm going to chat to you a little bit about this. So, this is this a lot of language around LGBT issues that can feel quite intimidating so we thought we just
There's a lot of language around LGBT issues that can feel quite intimidating so we thought we'd just break it down a little bit and just quickly and then of course if you have anything you want to ask extra or if there's anything that I didn't cover
properly then you can drop it in the chat or you can ask us afterwards.
So LGBT q plus stands for lesbian, gay, bi transgender, queer questioning. Plus, there are many, many other identities included in the LGBT plus acronym.
And so those are the headline ones, and we included a few extra things here just to just to help iron a few things out so the first one gender so gender is.
I found this quite hard to define I think it, I think a lot of people, it's a little bit more challenging but it's a, it's the internal sense of how you identify So, how you feel in your brain, about your agenda.
And we assign in society gender roles. So there are things that we perceive certain agendas today.
And it's often a seem to match our sex that were assigned at birth.
But the reality of it is is gender lives in your head and you can't tell what gender someone is by just by looking at them, which is why it's great to ask,
sex, as I mentioned, that tends to be a guest.
It typically falls into male or female. And people are assigned it normally by the doctor or person who helps give helps them get better helps them be born.
And there are obviously as well intersex people exist.
And there's often lots of different ways to tell someone's intersects, and often ways, you can't tell someone's intersex. So, sex as well it's not a binary concept and sexual orientation.
So, as I mentioned before, and the a lot the acronym centers around sexual orientation, as in how one feels attracted or romantic towards other people.
So, you can also not feel an attraction, a sexual attraction, you can feel a romantic attraction or not. And, and there are many different ways to feel that and different combinations.
Pray now so I introduce myself with my name and my pronouns are you say them pronounce. And if you are someone he's is he him pronounce you might be a man.
If you she heard pronounce you might be a girl.
You might also not and that's okay.
There are lots of different combinations.
And again, the best way to find out about these is just to ask someone.
Cool. And so, in line with some of the sexual orientations we put a few out here. So, a lesbian is a person of normally a woman who has romantic and all sexual feelings sexual attraction to other women.
But that doesn't mean that non binary people can't identifies lesbian, as well.
So if you are, bisexual, you are typically romantically and or sexually attracted to people of your gender and people have other agendas.
And there are many other types of of that kind of feeling so a person. It's an umbrella term so what we call an umbrella term is something that's there are different aspects of it within it.
So, and things like contextual where gender doesn't come into your sexual attraction might be under the BI umbrella. Some people just may simply call themselves clear queer, or not choose to label themselves.
And, as well. Similarly with gay, and typically you're a man who has romantic or and or sexual feelings towards other men.
And it's also a generic term.
And it's also a generic term. And so that women and on my binary people might call themselves gay as well as shorthand for for other other labels or identities and.
Great, thank you.
So trans. And if you are transgender, you are a person who's gender does not sit comfortably with the sex that they were assigned at birth.
So, your gender and your sex or different if you are trends and
transgender men are people who were assigned female birth, but identify and live as a man.
And we sometimes even a brief abbreviation here is FTM, which is female to male. And so, yeah.
Transgender transgender women, the other way around. So they're assigned male at birth but they identify and live as a women.
And that would be empty effort male to female. So those are the binary trans identities.
Transitioning transitioning, and it can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people.
And let's see.
So on here we've put the steps the trans person may take to live in the agenda, with which they identify.
And sometimes that's hard to understand sometimes it changes over time.
And sometimes it involves medical transitions and places of social transition, like, and changing their outward appearance or asking different pronouns be used, and hormone therapy piece would be an example of a physical transition.
And it's important to remember that trans people can be trans without having anything change about them, and they are valid as they are trans people are trans people and, and again this ties back into not being able to tell what someone's gender is by
looking at them
pass a test binding. And so, finding something that trans masculine people would do so.
A person who would typically be assigned female may wear a binder to make their body look more masculine.
And that's important for us because when you're looking at sport chess binding can be something that takes you take into consideration. And if someone is in distress or if they fly flushed awesome, or have some sort of health issues.
It's important to remember that some trans people bind, and that could factor into how they undertake their sport
and say non binary people, and non binary people. That's an umbrella term for anyone really who doesn't feel they sit comfortably within the gender binary so the gender binary would be male or female.
Of course it's not a binary really, because many people exist outside of that, and it can be that they absolutely don't identify as either. It could be that there's somewhere on the scale, or they didn't have a gender at all.
And so non binary is just sort of a term for people who don't sit comfortably within that male or female, box.
And then we'll say pots on the end here so it's just gender, as this person.
So if your sis gender than your, your gender identity and your sex match, it's pretty straightforward. So, if you, if you were assigned male, and you your identifies male than you would be such gender.
My going to talk through this 15 like.
Are you happy to Would you like me to know I can I can try I can try my best on this but it's all jumping, that's fine.
It's all jumping, that's fun. All right, and we put this one on because this is really important so conversations, of course, in being a club that's inclusive you also want to include, you do want to include everyone, and that includes people who are allies right so you might
right so you might not be a member of the LGBT community but you really want to help, and make everyone feel included. And also if you're an LGBT q club, we want to make sure we feel, make everyone feel included as well so we've included a term ally here
so an allies person who not is not necessarily part of your community, but is supportive of your community. So,
typically straight was this gender straight and or sister gender, or anyone else who didn't necessarily fall within the LGBT community.
These people.
Just one.
Want to sort of do well basically and, and hopefully we're all moving towards becoming allies for everyone else's community, and on a global scale. And, and all the other.
Many communities that exist on our wonderful planet.
And so we put a few things up here that we hope
allies can take on board with familiarize yourself with the language so I just rambled through a bunch of stuff that may or may not make sense and that may take time to sort of sit with and process.
recently about, you know, just because you're in, in the LGBT community doesn't mean that automatically makes you an ally for every aspect every letter of our of every out of our acronym, and how we will have to do work to make sure that we are an ally
for the aspects of our community, and other communities that we aren't part of and, and you have to accept that you'll make mistakes along that along that journey but failure is a part of learning and, and, and that's a fantastic thing, but it's also
worth noting that for me as a non binary person I was Miss gendering myself at least six months into changing my pronouns so think everyone included, including those people also make mistakes and that's, that's okay that's totally fine and educating yourself,
including asking questions. One of the biggest compliments I get from people around me is, they ask questions of me because they want to learn about my for my and all my communities and prospects and that shows that should be willing to ask questions
is being willing to admit you don't know everything. And I think that's really quite a, quite a compliment, and quite a great mature stance to take as well.
And there are loads of different ways you can learn about the LGBT community. I follow a bunch of really great Instagram accounts, I find that social media is a fantastic place to learn things.
And there are plenty. And there's even a TV show that's going up on Netflix john getting curious with Jonathan bonus which has a episode on the gender binary, and podcast, all of those things but asking your friends I think is a, is a great way to learn,
because you get those personal experiences.
And, yeah, getting involved in your community. So are there any other any local LGBT events that are happening that you can go along to, when's the next pride in your town, could you go along to that.
And what are some things that you could learn from people are there, and museum exhibit so the things you can learn about in the history that could help you understand your LGBT family.
And another great way to be an ally is to stand up for what you believe in. so standing up for people.
And when if you can is a fantastic way to show our leadership.
Yeah.
Yeah. And we put some the end admin, and we like Mike said that we've, we've been dealing with people after this or that they always, not always as inclusive as they could be.
So think about, say, just from a personal perspective, like if you're a climbing wall, why, if you've got a registration form. Do you need to have the general narrow and your first aid forms way collecting that information do you need to, how can you
be more inclusive with your with your language and your data,
get you off of that was pretty
cool. So, just a little bit then about our crops so at the moment we've got myself from Netscape be a ball together, and then we've got Robert who's going to talk in a moment.
So, just looking at this the other day. And what's really interesting, talking about this is that you'll see on here that we've got quite a range of two identities within that so we're double bass clip.
Let's go good Velshi in extra and Plymouth at the moment and said we started informally so we started with the Facebook group, and we've currently got 117 members on that Facebook group of those members we then have 23, active members, not all of those
come every week, but all those are involved at sessions at various points.
But then she got very brief breakdown of who's involved in our clubs.
So as you can see, within our cut within, let's go beat a border together, the largest group of us is standard individuals we've got for half of that again is non binary, and then we've got a few transgender individuals as well.
Okay, within that we've got large part is gay lesbian individuals we've got equal amounts of by.
And queer individuals.
And then some straight individuals, as well as upon sexual individuals, and also across that we've also got quite a range of experiences well it's quite nice to to see that breakdown within a group within the club and see how that can feature especially
we've only been running for officially by three months, we started about a year ago. So to have that growth is is quite exciting as well.
Roberts, want to talk about not so charge.
Sure. Um, well, I'm going to quickly show a picture of not so trade at a for us pretty landmark event so let me share my screen.
Hopefully, Mike Can you confirm you can see this picture.
No.
Yes, yes I can see that. There we go. So, there is a picture of not so triad taken at pride in in London in 2018.
That was the 10th anniversary years we came into being in January 2008.
So, this was the first and so far only time that we've actually taken part in prize.
But we had a lot of fun on the, on the day. And we had great fun. That was a long wait, and we use that time to to make some signs and queer genders break borders climb rocks.
Come out on climb. Not so trad and my favorite sign is fingering cracks, since 2008, well there you guys stop sharing on that note, and just briefly talk about the demographics.
We haven't surveyed our members in in perhaps the way that the club that Mike is unsure involved with let's go below and Boulder.
So, this is the information, I've got, we launched the London based.
But with members spread across the south of England and further and field, probably up to, sort of, Oxfordshire region and in fact, I think, on the call if it's the same James Carpenter is a fellow member of not so track, who lives in Oxford.
So James, if that is you Please say hello, someone demographics, we've got a very.
Even it is Thank you, James.
We've got a very great balance we think between men and women in the club.
That's been pretty constant.
It's got down to about 6040 I'm simplifying, all the issues that shard described earlier, of course.
But we have always really worked quite hard at trying to ensure that those very even balance by gender.
So, that's the current staff at the age.
We are, you know, the majority of members are so well, 30 to 45.
I'm, I'm very much at the top end I think I'm the.
Now, second oldest member of the club.
And we've got members who are in their early 20s, and late 20s but but not, not so many in the early 20s.
So that's, that's a very quick snapshot of us would say that we we do, although we've never asked this, I mean just being a member for for a long time, we do have straight people join the club.
And when that happened.
That was, I think for most of us, a cause of great personal satisfaction that the people who were friends of other members had perhaps Come on a weekend meet as a guest, they just decided they wanted to join our club.
I think mainly because they thought it was a good climbing club.
We've had straight men and women join, but we've got more straight women, and having chatted to some of them. I think they, their, their motivation for joining not so triad is that it's very inclusive of everybody.
And some, you know, women climbers have not found that to be the case in other climate clubs that they have either been out with, or perhaps in some cases actually being a member of.
So, so that's a quick snapshot of not so true, and I'll hand back to Mike.
Thank you Rob.
And I suppose the to so the question really we've talked a lot of range of backgrounds information but especially big question now she is why we started our clubs, as well.
And again, I'm gonna get Robert to speak a boat, not so tried in a moment but for be, I started. That's gonna be there and bolted together, largely because I didn't have anywhere to climb, I worked in the industry for nine years come away from that worked
worked in youth work in the outdoor industry when I work there. I within the nine years I could probably count on one hand, the amount of LGBT q people.
I bet, who are open the age, part time.
Then moving away from the idol community is your career. I very much find myself missing that but not finding anywhere I felt safe or comfortable to climb.
I didn't move to excel, I joined a local LGBT q choir here, and that was a turning point for me because I found that actually I felt safe I found a clean sheet that wasn't alcohol based.
That wasn't nightlife base but that was a nice safe, fun place to be and realized very quickly that actually I wanted up for climbing as well, and talking to some fellow members of that choir that other people were looking for the same.
So that's really where it started it started with a few of us playing together.
And then, chatting about ourselves, just quite openly in like the climbing walls and local spaces and just growing from there really.
And I think it's been one of the lovely things it really has been largely word of mouth.
Until very recently but as so many people who have joined us have gone, yes actually we've been looking for this, but didn't know it existed or couldn't find it.
And to my knowledge, I may be correct. I'm happy to be corrected on this, we were the seconds apart from not so child the second LGBT q climbing club to start in the country as well
for yourself how did you know you've got your quote here as well, which we'll talk a little bit to that as well. Yeah, I will. So, as I said, you know, we were, we were part of the outdoors club and branded is, you know, get outdoors.
Southern climbers I think you can call a group within the GAC what what you want. And so, you know personally that's that's how I got to know about the group I'm probably just google gate climbing London and found a guy outdoors club, and there's this
group of Southern climbers. So, you know, you could join that.
But, either we were just part of a very large organization that doesn't really have much practice will focus on planning. Most of the people who joined the outdoors.
of Shah said earlier, of gay being used by some parts of the community to include lesbians as well as gave. But the.
It's mainly about walking, and a bit of a sort of cycling and and sort of just trips to the countryside as well. And, you know, we, we will, you know, quite interested in our climbing and you know those reasons I gave before we felt that actually the
insurance cover didn't serve our needs. We didn't get any technical advice we, we didn't have access to any training or anything so you know if if you were trying to be a responsible and, you know, effective climber.
It just didn't feel the right home. And so that was the driver.
but we also wanted, I think.
So, you know, a number of us. So I was already a member of the Austrian Alpine club, and other people who've started not so true and some of them had remained a member of their university climbing club for example, and so you know for some of us it was
really important to actually say naturally LGP to say to the climbing community that you know he has an LGBT club, and we are LGBT people and we climb.
So our full name and we made sure this is not so triad Southern LGBT climbers and that's how we listed in the AMC website and handbooks we wanted to be very visible as an LGBT group.
Actually, of course, not so triad, don't need really to explain to everybody here is a sort of double pan but when we do say not search Tran, lots of climbers say, what does that mean you never do trend climbing and you actually altering sport.
And in fact, we've got a really active meat program with a huge emphasis on timing but we like the Jake, but it was and remains a safe place for some people who would not be confident about joining any other climbing club.
And I think for a lot of members. The other reason is you know we often get asked, well, what's what's the point of having an LGBT climbing club when all clubs are now being very welcoming.
And when I say that isn't pops necessarily true yet.
But even if you do feel personally confident about who you are talking about yourself. That doesn't mean to say that you want to be there.
He were all the time, sort of, either in your own mind or thinking, I've got to represent the LGBT community for all purposes to the rest of this group, and all you know there are expectations or just behaviors that you know you people will ask you questions
about what was it like doing now, you know, I've got this gay colleague at work and I can't understand anything about why why they don't do this or why they do do that, you know, can you help me and, frankly, all you want to do is to be climbing, and
therefore having an environment that is focused.
You know, you as a fairly coherent group, and with allies and friends. It just enables people to flourish.
We will also taken a really.
We've always made a lot of emphasis about taking people with, with no climbing experience. And, you know, they've we recruit mainly through people online, finding us, and then coming along to our weekly meets at one of the big climbing centers in London.
And then we've always run, what we call first time on rock weekends to get people outdoors, and then where we can we've we've helped support and encourage and develop them as independent climbers.
So it's been a group that's also very much about developing people's confidence for a bit like some of the reasons that Mike talked about earlier, you know, if you move into London.
You know, that there aren't so many ways perhaps of meeting people and that don't involve going out to pubs and clubs and having an activity that is really about developing relationships of trust and confidence in your own abilities, which is what climbing
actually does is, is been really great. I mean you know so many people I've known through not so tried have said you know joining this organization has been so fantastic for my for my personal development as an individual in many, many ways and we hope
to keep it up.
So that's really why we started and why we maintain not cetera.
I think I would just want to echo that with what Rob has been saying as well it's only the same for us as well. When I first looked at starting the club I put a piece date on a, like a professionals climbing Facebook page.
And just asked about how you get started with the club, I know I would say the response I got would be equally 5050 supportive and the other half, being well why do you need this why you know we're lovely people were already accepting with not horrible
to anybody. Why would you need your own club and majority of those people were guessing that yes, you may be accepted individually or as a group, but actually to walk into a scary space, such a scary space as a climbing wall to walk into a group of new
people certainly for LGBT people can be fantastically intimidating and we're going to look in a second a bit more about some research on that as well but it's when your day to day life.
You can be quite conscious of being attacked being abused.
Certainly it's getting better but it's still nowhere near but a good enough, walking into a new space with new people who may not understand your identity can be a fantastically intimidating space and again, as Robert say for us as well it's that same
mentality of actually we just want to say space where we can climb where we can get new people involved in climbing as well and we run.
Lots of introductory courses I mean, I think the vast majority of our membership, so far has actually been people who have never climbed before, and have come in because they want to do a community a group that they can do activities with but not that
fancy the idea of climbing.
So I think that's why it's sort of a fantastically important for that as well.
Just looking at time, but a little bit left to do so I will quickly go through the rest but did you have anything you want to try cha.
No, no, that's actually fine I just thought I'd ask first with their toes I said I mean, we've talked about our experiences with setting up our own clubs, but just very briefly, I'm just going to look very quickly go through some of the research has been
done behind this as well as a general research that so general research around the LGBT community has been done over the last sort of five to 10 years.
A lot of it has been done that by an organization called stable.
And a lot of the research they found is that it says here to five people 20 41%, and three and 10 non binary people who experience hate crime and instance because of their gender identity the last 12 months.
This is equally been the case certainly since we've had the rise since Brexit and rise of the far right and lots of a lot of interesting things certainly for gay and lesbian people as well there's been a huge rise again in hate crime or abuse.
And as Christian surveys found that for non binary people, when they're asked, Have you avoided any of the following situations, because they fear being harassed or being best gendered or aged.
The biggest areas they felt scared to go would be gyms clubs or social groups for that very reason.
And the last one of the most recent survey really which is the creative arts lockdown Sophie.
A big part of what they were asking is actually what would you get from groups and organizations, what would you want what you want, purely physical focus, or do you want social as well and the vast majority of the respondents said that they would really
like social as much a sport, to be a part of that as well.
And a big part is you're saying before, a lot of people are scared to go into new clubs new organization certainly around sports sports can still be an outdoor community particularly can be quite a sis male heterosexual community.
And the bonus university studies found that homophobic language can be a major issue within sports still we hear about it not in the press send your own football rugby those sorts of sports but equally.
You know it is a fanboy factor within the outdoor community as well.
Often not purposely directed but just through banter through conversation within groups, and it may not be directed at a particular individual but it's still there in the background and can be quite intimidating thing, the non binary people sport physical
activity study found that people score does not buy new people go to scores with the lowest creeps offense average life satisfaction. I was the only 5.5, to 10, compared with us being gay bed at 6.9, the wider population at 7.7.
And that really is just that general feeling of safety feeling of self and feeding security yourself as well.
and the National LGBT q partnership in 2016 717 found that people who identified to something other than male or female, was some of the most inactive people amongst the LGBT q plus populations with 56% of LGBT q plus plus women who are not active enough
to maintain good health, compared to 45% of women in the general population.
55% of LGBT q plus men.
And then 64%, who identified as something other than male or female.
And this is again a, an important issue because it actually, if there isn't those spaces where people can be active feel safe to be active.
And that can be larger necessarily then the individuals involved in that, a lot of sports centers, a lot of public spaces still have very gendered environments gendered changing spaces changes toilets.
And again for a lot of people who don't fit into the agenda binary that could be quite intimidating space to have to go into to get changed in as well.
Lastly, this survey was done up some of you may have taken part in it. This was done.
Late last year. The your movements matter, survey.
Within this they were looking at different types of demographics they're looking at LGBT q ethnicity disabilities, and how they fit into the broader community so we're looking at hillwalking climbing, and lots and lots of other sports, but they found
that overall respondents for outdoor climbing and gender fluid and non binary transmit and transfer women, and others only account for 3% of outdoor climbing response.
18% of indoor climbing responses respondents identified as being from the LGBT q plus community compared to 17% 79%, sorry, as heterosexual 15% of outdoor climbing respondents compared to 82%.
And they were finding that indoor climbing respondents are the most of us in their sexual orientations of all of the activity types.
But r squared and what motivates you to participate in the activity.
71% for indoor climbing and 66% of outdoor climbing respondents told us that they participate for their mental health challenges transcribing is the activity with the largest participation desire from people who told us they indoor climb, but not necessarily
have access to.
I mean that's a really brief overview, and we have at the end of the weekend, I can give you the PDF as well but we have got links to all of these surveys if it's of interest to you could have a look at these, but it just gives you a good idea of actually
what some of the challenges can be for LGBT q people coming into climbing and putting into the Agile community.
We're going to do that we're just going to finish up on the last slide, we've just got some thoughts, some reflections from some of our members at. Let's go build a boulder together.
Future look at what somehow blows up on the screen. If anybody has any questions, any thoughts anything they'd like us to recover please put your hand up, or just unmute and ask, or you can welcome to drop any questions in the chat as well.
It is actually pulls people to think about questions.
Thank you, Mark. Yes. So pro sports is something that is a very good you really useful resource for LGBT q clubs they do a listing site for all clubs.
So, again, in addition to the MCs listings. You can also destroy clubs on there.
I just realized there's one side I haven't put I haven't actually looked at, put up yet I apologize. So whilst we're looking. Think about questions as well, just a very brief one really just to sort of recap, just some tips and advice for anybody who
may be thinking about groups or just adding to their own groups as well. So as we already looked at there's lots of advice on the BMC website, and also from the BMC club office with Jane Thompson, a really good place to publicize new groups if it's something
that you're looking to do is set of climbing walls on a forum such as UK see but also local outdoor shops, as well.
And everybody said starting informally is a really great thing, a few friends, talking to people.
It can often feel much safer to start that informal way and build up from there solely for LGBT q people.
As we said before, today, lots of the pre existing paperwork and say the structure with the BMC can be quite challenging. To start with, so don't feel you have to follow a format, but actually think about what the community may wish to have, and how that
may wish may look for your local community as well.
I just think about some simple steps so thinking about things like pronouns on on your emails or your contacts to people, pronoun badges as well and be really nice way of introducing pronouns without everybody having to constantly repeat them.
And then thinking about things like your paper because Charles mentioned before consent forms, things like that and how they can be a bit more inclusive, asking people's pronouns when you first meet them, introducing your pronouns at the same time.
And then actually thinking about how people can be included in your spaces, or what barriers, there may be I mean if you're already running a group.
And thinking about those sorts of things as well. And what can we do what may stop people taking part in your club.
Nick reads just asked a question from pride expeditions, so escape for an LGBT q version of women's truck fest or something similar.
Robert don't know if you want to answer this one.
Thanks, Nick. Yes, the LGBT q group that I chair and Shawn Michaels, are both members of it.
We have been talking about what we could do so we're the with the group that is part of the overall equity and steering group, and with women. Mental health disabilities, and
the be any groups, and we are very very keen to follow that model Nick, of having a, a climbing festival, and actually James McAfee from Pepsi was reminding us that we should we should have that conversation.
So yeah, we were thinking about trying to do something fairly straightforward.
Possibly based on that women's clothing festival there's various models out there but yeah, we'd love to do something like that property called think something like queer, just to keep it as broad inclusive as we can.
Yeah, I think back to that I think there's certainly the MMA, you know, there should hopefully be enough people that would sign up for something like that to get more, maybe indoor climbers outdoors, is so same with anything really getting more people
outdoors. Be good.
Yeah, definitely. Yes, definitely something we're quite excited to try and get going deck because it's would be an amazing thing to happen.
Did anybody else have any other sort of questions, thoughts, reflections for us.
Well lt that I can drop the PDF of the slides into the chat equally if you don't get them from there, you wanted to get access to them.
You can happily email us, and we can drop those to you as well, email them to you as well.
If there are any thoughts any questions, anything like that that are coming to my name but you do want to get in contact with us. You can get in contact with us through James.
can, as well, to any groups that may be thinking about going down this route.
Hey, thanks so much Michael thanks so much Robert ensured that was fantastic.
Thanks so much, Michael thanks so much Robert and Chad. That was fantastic.
Yeah, I really enjoyed that.
Yeah. Got a lot from it.
A might inspire some more clubs to be created in the part.
And I just add Thank you, James.
You know, I'm sure all of us could benefit from the experience of each other. And, you know, in particular, if, if anybody wants to follow up on a one to one basis.
I'm sure we would happily do that. And you know, also, we were all learning from each other. I mean there's plenty of things that, that, you know, we talking about not so try to here, we know that we have got to do more and better.
So, you know, that the more examples of climbing clubs that come forward. I think it'd be great for for LGBT community. It'd be great for other LGBT sports groups, and I think it'll be great for climbing as well so I'm very, very pleased.
the level of interest in this, this evening, and thank you to everybody for coming along.
Thank you.
Yeah, I definitely want to say thank you very much to everyone for coming and shout out to the key who's upset you showed up here tonight. Thank you very much for coming.
And again, yes, if anyone wanted to chat about anything one on one or otherwise, feel free to get my email and we can catch up.
Great.
Yeah, thanks so much.